everybody will see a different environment. it may not be better. >> use said the affordable care act penalizes upjohn the economy, health care. others say it is based on private insurance. >> but i will be very brief. health insurance companies and hospitals we'll turn into regular it -- regulated utilities. of it reduces the cost, who knows? it has new taxes and we will pay higher taxes. the medical device tax will affect a number -- but we doan need this law right now >> you mentioned you are a partner in the law firm. >> but it is health care inflation. i have gone to small businesses follow for this state. tire companies, to the paper company and everybody wants to provide for their employees. it is unsustainable. we have not got to the cost side issue. republicans talk about privatization. but it is very, very expensive. they pay not just the administrative fees but pay for profit. you cut into the health care dollars. focus not on premium care but the value. prevention, the most expensive illnesses illnesses, diabetes, o